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perhaps you shouldn't watch kidulthood then...
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I have seen kidulthood. And you're right, Noel Clark does some crazy shit. (didn't he produce it or something, too?)

I just don't want to see Mickey kill anyone. I kinda hoped, you know, being with the Doctor and all, that his compations would adopt a bit of his peaceful ways.

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Though I suppose Journey's End kinda blows that idea out of the water...

Oh well.

Yes I've definitely also seen that Torchwood is going to retool for next season. I enjoyed some of the more "mature" content, so I don't know if this change is going to sit well with me or not. Sarah Jane Adventures is too kid-oriented for me, and I don't want Torchwood to cross that line.

that surf the channel business is fantastic, as some one who loves doctor but doesn't have cable this is really a breath of fresh air. i was worried that i was going to have to wait for the dvds to come out before i could read those black boxes.

And there are so many of them, too...

The Doctor Dates His Daughter From 'The Doctor's Daughter'

Anybody else find this half amusing, half horrifying?

Hmm yes I do believe that's the right combination of emotions. Guess he had enough with girls in fireplaces.

i liked madam le pomp. but that's just me.

Posted By: jacob666i liked madam le pomp. but that's just me.songs to sleep to

Well, she gave up Tennant for the TV series Moonlight. Bet that stings a bit.

Ok, so you've had ample time to view the Christmas special. Thoughts?

Posted By: larnsturtOk, so you've had ample time to view the Christmas special. Thoughts?

I thought it was a sweet episode. A nice way to wrap up Ten's tenure, with a bit of a lovefest. I'm getting to the point, though, where I can no longer suspend belief that all these massive events are happening on Earth and they manage to get forgotten or swept under the rug.

Posted By: Mike BradyI'm getting to the point, though, where I can no longer suspend belief that all these massive events are happening on Earth and they manage to get forgotten or swept under the rug.

I was thinking about this last night. The problem with nullifying all these events is that the Sara Jane Chronicles and Torchwood would then both have plot and history problems, unless they did the same explanation in all three shows. I think they're playing with the idea of going balls-to-the-wall and calling the Who universe fixed, and critics be damned if they don't like it.

I agree: that would definitely be a problem, and a "reset button" would be considerably worse (they got away with it once in that whole Harold Saxon plotline, but I'm calling shenanigans if it happens again). I guess I just wish that they could limit the number of disasters hitting Earth, or at least make it more subtle than, well, any of the number of the things that have happened in various Christmas specials and season finales. If this is an alternate Earth then fine, but then they need to stop pretending that this is our Earth; can't have it both ways. I mean they could invent any number of Earth-like planets to serve as a proxy and have mostly the same effect.

I'm making this sound like a bigger deal than it is. I'm not that passionate about it - it just one of those niggling things that stops me from fully enjoying an episode.

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Example: The end of Series 4 was impressive and cool with the whole "dragging the Earth back where it's supposed to be", but how many people died because they didn't have something to hold onto or hide under? How many people fell off bridges or were crushed by falling objects? How many elderly fell and died from complications?

Am I overthinking? I feel like it's harder to not think about these kind of things when it's so in-your-face.

I'm going to play devil's advocate here for a moment.

The thing I was impressed with was that they sorta DO let all of those things stand. People remember the fat walking away, the hospital disappearing, the ATOMS killing people, stuff like that.

I think it's the British mentality that tells them to soldier on, or what not, and they assume the rest of the world is getting along, too. As for pretending it's "our earth" or whatever, I mean all shows do that. You could argue that shows like 24 are set in today's earth, yet there's a black man as president instead of George Bush.

...oh...wait...

The point is, it makes me laugh when people protest the earth being pulled from orbit ("But what would happen to the moon with no earth to hold it in place??!") but seem to not blink at the idea of a man traveling space and time, let alone in a little blue box. I think you have to approach the show with a certain suspension of disbelief and then roll with it.


That being said....dammit, what did happen to the moon?

Posted By: larnsturtI think you have to approach the show with a certain suspension of disbelief and then roll with it.

I'm all about that, but I think it's incumbent on the writers to help you out. In partaking in fiction you enter into a kind of contract with the writers in which you agree to suspend a certain amount of disbelief and they agree not to be too ridiculous about it. I'm just saying that with a whole wonderful universe out there, do they need to make all these ostentatious things happen on Earth? You can have a proxy that everyone understands is Earth without it having to be the big E itself. I shouldn't belabor this point because it sounds like I'm disparaging Doctor Who, and I'm certainly not. I love the show, and I even love Torchwood for all its ups and downs.

So in related news, I've heard rumors that the Easter special may get canned. A bus that was apparently a crucial prop was severely damaged on its way to a location shot in Dubai and they're not sure they can re-write around it. Considering how little Who we're getting this year this could be quite the buzzkill!

Posted By: larnsturtThat being said....dammit, whatdidhappen to the moon?

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It's actually a Doctor Moon. It hung around until we got back because a little girl told it to.

Ha.

I've had talks with other Who lovers about why things happen on earth and the gist of it was actually because of the Doctor. Though he's Time Lord, he very much happens to look human. I think he has a fascination with the earth. As my friend put it, much like people who are fascinated by animals who do amazing things but on a much larger level. He sorta seems humans as the trained apes of the universe, apes he cares for almost like children, granted, but he still feels very much superior to people. As he should, I suppose.

Anyway, the theory was something like his being there attracted the attention of the universe. Sort of like how a celebrity going to a crappy diner might make the diner popular even if it isn't so good. The Doctor seems to be a freaking universal superstar (for all of the people on earth who haven't figured out what he does) and his affection for the planet, and the species at a whole, probably got all those aliens thinking.


But in reality, it's most likely they stay on earth so much for the same reason Start Trek always seemed to time travel back to the 20th century. Money and convenience.



Suuuuucks about that bus. Where'd you hear that?

Yeah, fair enough. I do forget that Doctor Who works with a smaller budget than Star Trek or Stargate, so maybe I should cut them a little slack. Although "The Next Doctor" was a period piece so would it have been that much different? I guess you'd need to bring in designers to create new costumes/architecture for a different planet. I dunno.

Anyway, I came across the initial story of the bus wreck through io9. The rumors about the bus crash were mentioned here (also found through io9). Minor spoilers at both sites I guess. It sounds like they continued filming after the accident though, so maybe they re-wrote after all? I for one will hold out hope.

Asking for period costumes on a BBC owned show? That's like asking for a chocolate bar in Hershey, PA. Between Masterpiece Theater and, like, every other show we import for PBS, I'm sure they had more than enough to pull from. Hell, they probably recycled the costumes from Casanova. Check the credits, the thing was practically a dry run for Who.

And I'm with you. I will choose to believe Who will be back soon. Didn't I hear some rumor about Torchwood filling in the gap in the meantime? Torchwood! Where art thou?

Posted By: larnsturtAsking for period costumes on a BBC owned show? That's like asking for a chocolate bar in Hershey, PA. Between Masterpiece Theater and, like, every other show we import for PBS, I'm sure they had more than enough to pull from. Hell, they probably recycled the costumes fromCasanova. Check the credits, the thing was practically a dry run for Who.

Ha! Yeah I realized the silliness of that comment as soon as I posted it. It was worth leaving it for your comment, though. :) So, yeah, Torchwood. Allons-y. Molto bene.

Oh and I don't have a problem with his obsession with Earth. I'm cool with that. It's just the scale of the events. The Charles Dickens episode was good: subtle and self-contained. So was the Agatha Christie episode, "The Girl in the Fireplace", the Queen Victoria/werewolf episode (can't remember any names offhand) - there are any number of examples. The ATMOS story was fine too, because it was a bit more subtle from the perspective of the Earthlings. It's the giant spaceships/constructs/swarms repeatedly tearing holes through large swaths of London that make my brain say "no".